MONSTERS moaning

may I ask, when was you last login to the server?
Get your win10 fixed and move your monsterass over here

From what I see...
yes there is lots of macroers, and their macros seem better than ever.
Most Sins now got a super minor heal...and they are so freaking tanky - they jump on CS and tank 3-4 warriors.

But among them there are some outstanding/good ones.
The ones that can play party pk, have an eye on the party members (cc/minor) and a view for the situation.
IMHO there are some good Sins here on the server.

...and I even saw DAVID on titanko a few days ago

Been a while since I've logged because of work but "trash " was a little excessive, I honestly don't thinks there's many good players left since they have all moved to other servers/quit and judging by cheater reports it's mostly imature children around. I totally agree with the sins being tanky though as soon as they put a sheild on a a average warrior has no chance kinda wish they would bump the stats down on every piece of armor/wepon/accessories for all classes. Wish it was like the beginning of flameko.. that was the greatest pk I've seen.

ofc. if the player's a really old sin, and that he knows how to play proprely. He can defeat macroer. but you will never see a legit sin minor as fast as a macroer... if the macroer know how to use his macro, a normal sin would not be able to beat him.

The only legit sins i know on this server, is manhattan and David. none else.

Didn't thaught that David were still on the server. Havn't seen him in a long time. reason why I said there not a single skilled sin left on the server. there only macroer/pedaller. I've suggested to add a cooldown on minor, so sins would need to mix hp pots and minor, but no answer ever came from the idea. like 9999999% of other suggestions.

Also the reason why i'm kind of over with Titan, High mana just make macroer rule. I have a macro when playing archer.. Bitch why not telling, everyone who minor as an archer while comboing have a macro or use ctrl...

If you say else, just tell me how it's even possible... Right...
You guys are just scared to ban macroer since you know the few addicted titan's players you have left would leave. 15919 years later, MaxKO might release, and things might change.

TheGreatEvil

PS. Combo means a lot on sins. indeed. someone who have a good combo can rape. funny how all the ''good'' sins on here get recked on Apex. *OP sins**non-sense classes*

1. I agree there is a high possibility that there are plenty of macroers , but yet you can not prove it any case.

2. I know actually more sins who are legit , but not all are on same level.

Same goes for macroers , only if they macro doesnt make them good sins.

3.Sins are different on this server with the lvl 85 cap .

You have to get used to play sin on this server , some are really good on -70 , but on the other hand suck over here.

But overall takes just some time to get used to it.


4.Adding cooldown is just a bad idea.

I do not really feel going into it why its a bad idea.

I'm not rly playing but keep on checking the forum and occassionally login to arena to VS abit.

On topic, gotta disagree again.



It's fairly easy to burn your full mana here during a VS so in the end the result of the VS between decent sins will comes down to the skill order // combo speed // how well you timed your skills (drains, energy stealer, etc). You don't even have to minor fast tbh (energy stealer [-2000 mana when the enemy uses it on you, -800 mana when you use your own], Armor Cancel that cost 750 mana, Last Stab that cost 400 mana, etc). With a normal speeded minor you will end up burning your mana kinda easily most of the times. So minor wise a macro / pedal won't rly help shit (just a little max, to make sure you aren't missing mana pots, but with experience you aren't missing them legally aswell), since they have the same mana pool, if you try to minor fast, you will end up burning your whole mana, failing skills due to having 0 mana and shit like that. (Which they do, hence why even the so called pedallers / macroers dieing like trash most of the times if you go against them cleverly)




It's a usual misunderstanding.
Legal player vs Macroer / Pedaller wise, not only that cooldown doesn't help the legal players, but it makes things way worse for them against pedallers / macroers.

-Why?

With cooldown on minor, pedallers / macroers can just setup ultra super fast minor spamming speed [which would just drain their mana in a matter of a second at a non cooldown server, making it absolutely useless] that enables them to adjust their minor speed to the maximum that the cooldown allows (which is absolutely impossible legally), and they can burn their full mana solely by minoring w/o using hp pot during a vs. Meanwhile legal players gotta use atleast 1-2-3-4-5 HP pots. You can do the math (19x 60 = 1140 HP recovery compared 720 HP heal multiple by 2-3-4-5 ~ 2000 HP diff already just cuz of the minoring)

And then not even mentioning the other advantages pedallers / macroers have at the newer versions (sin 72 actually blinding the enemy ---> you gotta click on the enemy with mouse to continoue comboing, which is a simply click for macroers / pedallers since their hand is free, but giving a hella hard time for a legal sin who is using both of his hand during a VS)


Long Story short, a non cooldown server is WAY more fair toward legal sins against macroers, than a cooldown one. The cooldown servers are simply macro / pedal paradise. (For other classes it's better with cooldown, cuz even if pedallers / macroers can keep up the same performance and burning full mana at VS, during PK they can't save their asses by burning 6-7k mana in a sec, so obviously warriors, mages etc prefer that.
However cooldown servers for a legal sin is simply a disaster, totally destroying their chances against macroers / pedallers. Making it hella fucking hard, even for the best legal sins (whom rape macroers w/o a problem at noncooldown servers) to beat an average macroer, let alone the ones whom comboing well aswell.

How you can simply judge most of them is pedaller and macroer? Just because some "Rogue" can minor very well in pk or vsing and you accuse them using pedal/macro? The problem is you people just exposed to forum and pk video to find out a real known legal player. You tell me, does everyone can be same spend their time on forum or even watching videos to get known a "real legal player"? or someone spend their whole life time on CZ killing people to get famous? They are so many good players out there playing legally that nobody knows them because they dont socialise to others and some of them dosent even know speak english especially turkey people and i seen how good they are when comes to PK.You are seriously misjudging everything. I give you an example.

Few days ago, i was using my friend char as a sin and was vsing couple people in arena.And then i vsed a sin (a high rank sin known here) Once he lost in vs he start accusing me that i using pedal/koxp. Obviously i dont use any of those thing. It was on my friend char that he was accusing, and beside i know him very well based on my main char but he dosent know that i am using friend char on that moment. You got the point now what i am trying to say?

This applies to David or any other pro rogue out there, if they using a random char that nobody knows who they are, and once they start killing every players and they will get same shit been accused "pedaler,koxp and macro" it always happend everywhere.

You must understand that every server has a TOP player,once they go any other random server, nobody will knows him beside his friends. Now you understand everything? Get the picture?

PS: Dont blame players for this macro problem, if you want to blame , search yourself.

hmm, did I called David a macroer? nah, cause I know he's legit. On the other hand, 90% of the rogues on this server use macro. how I know, since i'm one of the oldies that was left on the server, and that I'm well placed to know this server, since i'm quite in a good relation with the worthfull gms.

I'm not calling all GG sins macroer. i'm just stating facts that I been told clearly from gms themself. There are few good sins. but their counted on 1 hand. Come tell me SpiderBoy aint using a macro, and i'll just laught of you. come tell me nobran aint using macro and i'll come laught of you. I could name like 15191591 rogues that use macro on this server, and that is obvious. they just not blocking macro cause Titan would die in no time.

My ass a rogue can tank 2k damage every 1.5 seconds. your gonna tell me he can press that 7878787878787 about... 25 times in 1 second? how funny.

First , u got ur answer of dave , in the best possible way explained.

Addinitonally , what you are saying are just assumptions.

I agreed in the previous mail , that there is a very high possibility for macroers.

But you said its a fact , and its actually not.

Even if the % of probability is very high , there is still a chance not to be , for various reasons.

You seem to be way to critic w/o really having proofs , or any reasonable explanation.


I know many players who complain about macroers , but only if they complain it should not mean that its true.

Indeed, the 80/90% is partly from Dave, watching a program log on players. but it's also comming from gms. Cause I got pretty much all the old staff team on my skype. since I been a staff myself for few days.


Well, can't say that there are some rogues that macro for them is just obvious. running away with 5% hp, and 1.5 seconds after they got 80%.

their mana just went away magicly and turnt into minor. We been waiting for the ''disable'' ctrl minor for years. Flegy added it, and 1 hour later, he removed it due to a bug or w/e. Telling he would fix it asap. 1 month later, still no new about that new anti-cheat.

Sad to say, but that so worthy anti-cheat will never come up.