It's long but please read. Sorry if my grammar is bad...I was very angry when I wrote this.

Let me just start by saying. Attracting new players is necessary for a server to survive. Alot of very successful mmorpg's give new players rewards, and decent gear to start the game. That way they will feel powerful and are more motivated to continue playing and get better items. Maxko is NOT that because you start off with NOTHING.

I was in moradon just running around and managing my inventory when a new player pmed me and asked "I have been playing on this server a couple of days now, and I am still using plate armor for my warrior. Where can I get better weapons/armor?" I told him to go mine for materials, and he told me he's been mining for 2 days now and hasn't gotten any warrior armor through red chests. Also he only had +1 t weapons that are very weak. Then I realized something: THIS SERVER AT THE MOMENT IS VERY HARD FOR NEW PLAYERS to do anything!!! I didn't even know how to help him.


Lets pretend we are a brand new player trying out different servers. We download maxko.exe, and we start a new warrior. The 1st thing that happens when you log on is to try to level your character to 80+. Next we want to get more powerful weapons and armor. I ask around and people tell me to start mining. We mine for a couple of days and end up with a T sword +1 and some accessories.

Problems:
-Being that I am a new player, I have only 10mil which limits the amount of upgrades scrolls I can buy. I am afraid to spend money on scrolls because I might break my sword and then I won't have money to buy other things.
-If i trade in my red treasure chest, I might get spirit armor for other classes, I cant use those items. Which means I have to either keep mining(which is really boring) or spend more time trading with someone in moradon.
-Accessories, I can't use Vote points because I am new. And it will take a while to get it. It's very difficult to get accessories you want because mining accessories is random. You might get Magic power or Int bonuses when you need Str and Hp.

-Not enough players means I have to solo many mobs. There might not be a priest to heal me. If you start as a mage, then you are truly screwed, because mages can't do anything by themselves.
-Bitfrost not an option. Because bitfrost is shared by both humans and orcs, it is very dangerous for new players to go to bitfrost. Fragments are hard to farm because mobs are strong. And you might die from other nation.
-NO SCROLLS You start the game in old maxko and you can get 1500, speed, attack, and 300 ac scrolls form worms at the very start. This encourages players to play more because they are given tools to assist them. In new maxko, Speed scrolls costs 100 mil, and the only way to get scrolls is from atross in CZ, which I can't get because I cant kill atross, and everyone in cz will kill me very fast.
-Krowaz armor is too hard to farm and make for new players. To make 1 full set, you need about 100 fragments which might take over a month or months. You could die from more powerful players in cz. And the drop rate for these fragments is very low. And I dont have the money to upgrade these pieces of armor.

Things old maxko did right:
-Had scrolls at very beginning to assist new players.
-In old maxko, players could farm for Dragon Flight/Mythril armor or go Krowaz and farm gyphon armor +10(which is definitely better then plate armor). Once you have gryphon armor, you could try to get even better armor such as bahamut or selfname which all start at +10. Donators could purchase hero armor saving them the hassle of farming which also was a good option.
-You can get good rings/earrings from bosslands, which were some of the best accessories in the game. But now there is no bosslands, and the only way to get LKP,LE,ME,and HR is from bosses in cz or Vote points which new players can't get or go because they are NEW. The only option is Esland, but then again the items that drop from the mobs there aren't very good.

Solutions/Suggestions:
-Make scrolls drop from mobs at the start.
-T/D weapons should start at +5 when you mine them, gives new players better gear to start with. This doesn't make server unbalanced or overpowered....
-Give new players 100mil to start not 10 mil. This way they can buy pots, upgrade scrolls, other items. Or add quests that reward money
-Add bosslands/zone where players can farm for jewelry and armor, They are both guaranteed and not random like red treasure chests.
There has to be some way for players to get good starting armor. Without good starting armor, they cant go esland/bitfrost/cz. No random please, this only creates more barriers causing more and more problems. I suggest you keep the red treasure chests because spirit armor is not bad. Maybe add a worse armor then spirit but is guaranteed to drop from mob.

-Split Krowaz, if possible like in old maxko. There should be one krowaz for humans and one for orcs. This way more krowaz fragments and more chance for players to attain items.
-Add powerful mobs in krowaz that drop spirit armor or weapons.
-In old maxko, Knight's castle was a zone for new players to fight tough mobs to get middle class weapons like T weapons. Since T weapons are now for new players there should be weapons for intermediate players.



No one wants to play a server that starts you out with nothing. Many people say new players all quit because they cannot compete with the old players. New players have very limited options, and in order to have a highly populated server, adjustments have to be made. If you guys agree please comment or if there are any more suggestions, please add them. At the moment...maxko is a server only for old players and new players are severely limited.
Thanks for reading.

I don't even get online anymore because its super super boring. oh man I even get bored writing thisssss. I know its now beta fixing bugs but what will be the difference after the bugs are fixed you have to farm, farm, and farm... to be able to go to cz die a little slower...

i agreed with that topic ... and i think ........................................................ 1. df , mythril , ron and trial ... in old maxko thay are +10 but now thay are trun into +7 why ... we frm or buy it with our money or rov ... and when expension come thay are all +7 .. so why we buy/frmd those gear those gear ... in expension thay are +21 reverce .. is god , but we should keep it as thay are in old maxko .. ( +10 ) then we reverce it up to +21 ..

2.and about t weapones ,d weapones ... thay are like nothing infront of usko weapones ( chose baal , undifiteble showrd , roum , malok etc) .. Exsample:{ in old maxko for a warior t showrd or d axe is good .. but now no one can use them to fight against any ppl in cz }... so add more ap to those items ..



and at the end i must said that this is not usko server this maxko ... and we need better maxko not better usko ... that's how we play it and we love it ....


sory my english is not well ... but i think gm understand what i said .....

old rovs MUST BE ROV +5 I WAS VOTE EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!!

Good to see that GM_Skyline still cares for the server and got a view for new players.

What makes a server attractive for players its not the version of its server files...
...its a good concept.

Obviously this server doesnt have a concept for new players.
I think that Flegys was so focused on the new server files that he missed that point.

The concept must include such things like (examples):

1. Player x downloaded client now he might get stuck with the patches...so Autopatch must work!
pls no manual patching ... you might already loose the firstplayers here.

2. Player X login on for the first time - the little (annoying)kid pops up.
He has to kill a worm - lets give him a swift pot.
Cause most people hate to walk around slow in a Game.

3. now he sees the mining NPC ... so he can get first Jewels from that and maybe a first weapon.

4. let him farm some first Armors/ weapons.
Eslant seems pretty useless atm... so let Gryphons drop from Eslant Mobs.

5. There could also be some BUS/Silverbar drop in EMC/luf. So people can farm there for the coins/scrolls.

etc... was just an example for such a concept.
Every step should be thought through and tested for every class!
So players can build their chars step by step and dont loose interest or wont be frustrated.
Such a Concept might be planed by a small team of 2 or 3.

Anyway...I think thats all nothing new for you guys.
Flegy can for sure work that out with some of his GMs.
So I suggest he starts to listen to Skyline, Bazzar and every staff member that realy cares about the server.

Edit
............
As Miles said "Annoying kid"
We had beginner items before. Why not implant a system where we could get beginner items from that first quest we get right after we login to game?
By killing worm and saving that little girl or boy whatever his gender is we may get items that will be removed from our char after 3 days or maybe a week.
Duration system is already completed for the those who doesn't still know Flegy is able to do anything he wants with server files. Let's just see some crazy ideas.
and main idea is to give newbie user beginner items with that first quest
What he can get?
Gryphon set
Shell set +9 for it's class(he can rebirth and see it's glow )
+9 high class item for his job (Shard Raptor etc.)
+3 Starting accessories
-Bronze Belt +3
-Warrior,Rogue,Cleric,Mage Earring +3
-Diamond Ring,Elf Ring,Emerald Ring,Crystal Ring +3
-Priest,Elemental,Warrior Pendant +3

These items may last after 3 days or a week and they should not be upgrade able, trade able and users won't be able to put them in inn or sent it via letter.
All these items are good enough to pk a bit and also farm. By this way new players will be able to enjoy maxko.
After all this is a private server things should be even easier.
Another suggestion
If everyone agrees I would have said (already told that many many times to Flegy) backup current database, wipe everything, turn on auto registration, give everyone who starts full items or make npcs that sells +10 items and +5 accessories in simple words START A BETA. So players may try it and there won't be anyone who rages on I lost my item I'm scammed that guy duped that guy bug abused etc. There will be only ones that reporting bugs and when you fix every single bug restore that backed up database and just continue where you are left.
Benefits?
-You will gain new players
-Game will be introduced to new players
-There will be no any lose of items, characters etc
-There won't be anyone abusing any serious game bugs. I mean if anyone duped who cares? Everyone got full items and it's only beta they will be erased after beta is over just old database will be roll backed.
-You will be able to focus on fixing bugs only.
-Players will be able to test everything that's added ingame.
-Players will be capable of doing anything ingame just they are 83 lvl and full items they will easily test anything.
It's all from me.

Well done Skyline,thats something some of Devs and also Flegy should read.

I'm supporting such ideas because that makes the server populate,not making the server even harder to play.
Agree also with Miles..i dont mind that kid,i dont even pay attention to him because i don't care

/off topic:
Chucky,i can see ure frustration from many miles away,seriously i'm not the only one who can see that.Stop it and keep doin a good job,don't make it worse.

/back on topic:
Such great topics should be posted and supported not blamed.

Depending on the time spent to can get some items,such as armours,accesoryes and weapons,i would say that at least half of the new players leave the server right in the first 30 minutes because of lack of help.

How many does even know there is a begginer helper? after lots of PMs adressed to me from new players i can say ...2% ..thats sad.
I've tryed to keep many of new players on this server because it's borring to play with the same 20 ppls online,so i gave them coins and items(not the tops but t weapons at least +7,darkness items at least +7,accesoryes,etc) what i had and i succeeded with some,but sadly many of them leave because they considered maxko a mirror of usko and they don't want to spend again lot of time farming.

Maxko was a fully pvp server and became a hard farming server,wich i dont think was the Flegy's and Devs point but that can be fixed in time.

Now to stop with all those "kick in the ass" i would like to say thx to the guys who was doin something,anything to make this server better,devs,admin,gms,players for posting bugs,sugestion also to encourage ppls to keep supporting because in time,im sure this will be the best server again,at least for some of us.

Dont forget to have some fun,no matter what ure doing.

@Cooby all these things could have been fixed before the release. I'm just frustrated to see a staff member doing this. I mean all was happy with it and why now just complaining? Even all these were brought to the view. I wouldn't talk if I didn't know what we have been through. I just hate being right
Anyways better late then never.

wow a lot of big posts. Now is my turn ot answer

Ok lets help new players here is what I will to do

For begining I will change spirit and selfname armors.(Maybe or will add militery uniform idk will see )

When player create new character will got 100m , new set +10 or maybe selfname after change,3 days wing to look nice ,maybe hero weapons on few days.

about client and download patches after new one patch we will make new client so players dosent need update patches.